I've bought my BX on May-1998, it was one of the
three BX's in town and I almost had no experience on BX's at all. So what
I had to do is go to Citroen Service in town and ask them if I should buy
this BX, they checked the car and said "there's a coupla minor problems
which could be fixed in minutes and I should absolutely buy this car if I
like Citroen BX's". So I've trusted them and bought the car for 4250$'s.
She was a white BX15TGE (BX16RE in some countries) as you can see on the pictures and body was (Still is) almost immaculate. Then the my BX adventure
had began. Of course I didn't intend to spread my story here, I want to share
my experiences with this page, please feel free to object, add or contribute to my ideas by E-mailing me.
WHAT TO CHECK FIRST, WHEN BUYING A BX?
-*-BODY-*-
Check the body first, first need to check is if the car had a wreck
if yes try find out if the chassis effected from wreck, if the answer yes
again forget about that car unless they are giving away or selling it for
a dime. Because all the balance and integrity of the car effected and
chassis works are mostly unsuccesfull, I mean you can not get the 100%
balance back ever again in most cases.
Wrecks without effecting the chassis are acceptable if the look and feel
of the car is acceptable for you. If there is such a case don't ever
forget to talk a bodyworks mechanic first. Don't trust someone else or
another kind of mechanic. The other question is the *rust* Check fo
the rust, look what Malcolm Gray-Stephens from the list says where to
check for the rust because those are the first rusting spots:
1. Front door top hinge + triple skin area above it at base of
windscreen
2. Seam exposed when rear door is opened over the wheel arch (about 30
degrees from vertical)
3. Estates/brakes crack their roof!
4. Light rust behind rear bumper
5. Rear subframe seems to gently go
6. Front subframe bottom - especially Mk1s
7. Door bases.
8. Any repair work!
Do not forget the have the mechanic check the chasis for rust it's
a common DS problem not BX but who knows? If chasis is rusted you'll
be in real trouble. Before buying the car it would be a good idea to
show the car a bodyworks
mechanic and ask him if there will be expenses for the body and if yes
ask *HOW MUCH?* Do not forget checking the door rubbers. They are easy and
cheap to repair but if there is lost parts there will be winds in your car
on high speeds.
-*-HYDROPNEUMATIC SYSTEM-*-
This is the best part of your car that will give you different feel and
lot more comfort from any other car. You are (or will be) feeling lucky to
have such a system: aaannnd good news: Hydropneumatic system is very
easy to maintain as far as you use right and original parts and do
not mind replacing bad parts with new originals immediately. This way you
will have the Citroen joy and costs will be not much for maintenance in
the long term.
Whats is the Hydropneumatic system on a BX? It's a pressurized oil system
that will rise and float your car and also will give power to your brake
system. In the regular BX there are 8 running parts for the whole system
excluding the LHM Reservoir, pipes and the distributor for the LHM (The
special oil for the
hydropneumatic system, green oil). Those parts are 1 central sphere
(Main Accumulator)(63bar), 2 front spheres (55bar), 2 rear spheres (40
bar). (Bar values are different in some models). 1 High pressure pump
which is heart of the hydrolic system which it won't get bad if you clean
the LHM regularly and change the LHM in about for every two years
or every 30k km's, (20k miles)(About 4 liters for whole system), 1 pressure regulator which is attached to central sphere, distributes and balances oil pressure and finally 1 brake
compensator which will give you enough pressure for the brakes. If
you would like to see how the hydropneumatic system works on a citroen
with animated pictures click here.Thanks Toaph.
How to check if the hydropneumatic system is
ok?
Aha! Good question, the first sign of a bad hydropneumatic system will be
more pressure regulator clicks than normal. If your pressure regulator is
clicking more than every 40 seconds most probably your central sphere is
gone or there are some other problems in your hydropneumatic system. Have
the all sphere pressure checked in a Citroen service, checking
them easy except removing old spheres, there are special tools on a decent
Citroen service for removing spheres and checking their pressures,
once they are removed checking the pressures and re-installing
them will take just minutes. Also if the brake
compensator is bad you'll hear a periodic hissing sound (tss tss
tss, yes! :-) ) but if the LHM level is low and air is running in
the system you'll hear the same sound too so you better learn and
check the proper LHM level. You can also start the engine and look
the car is raising less than 30-50 seconds to it's normal level,
how'bout driving the car and checking if the brakes are ok? But
this way do not forget you are testing the whole brake system
including the brake pads. If your car running idle on a flat
,straight surface and you hear clicks of pressure regulator more
than 50 seconds your hydropneumatic system is probably ok or
suffering from *minor problems* (Mine clicks on more than 4
minutes right now. So do not forget your high pressure pump will
rattle just before the clicks do not worry about them and try not
to mixed up with pressure regulator click. You can also ask your
mechanic (assuming you are a Citroen newbie) to check LHM filter
in reservoir to find out how the ex-owner treated your hydrolic
system before.
-*-ENGINE MATTERS-*-
Citroen BX engines are actually are no different from a regular car
engine, but I should say few things about the engine check. Since BX
production had ended in 1994 our engine will be most likely around in 100k
km's maybe even around 200k km's. When buying a car I first check the
exhaust if it's smoking, on petrol cars we should see no smoke or just a
little (Please try to distunguish between water steam and the burnt oil,
when petrol burns perfectly there will be two afterproducts after burning:
water and CO2, especially in the winter when the car is cold even in
the summer you could see the steam if you look carefully). I check the
engines first by a primitive and effective way. I open my palm through the
exhaust 10-15 cm away and keep it 4-5 seconds, then I smell my palm (I do
this after at least 5 minutes started the car, cold engines can not burn
the petrol effectively). New engines with no problems should smell a
waterish petrol but not much, but if the engine is hot enough and your
palm smells like a petrol Refinary and your stomach turns over from
smell or even oiled, that means the car needs
an engine overhaul soon. But things are not white nor white such as these
two cases above, after a coupla experiences you'll see better what I mean.
Another test is accelerating the engine to about 3000-3500 rpm (A friend
should do that) and removing foot from the gas pedal suddenly while you're
watching the exhaust, you should see no smoke at all on new engines, an an
average ran engine you could see a very light bluish smoke for a 2-3
seconds, mostly 5 seconds, but exhausted engines smokes more than 5
seconds or smoke color would be black. In this case your cars engine is
weared out. Please do not forget bad advance timing or carburettor
adjustments could cause false results in a negative way. After all this is
a primitive engine burning effectiveness test ain't it?
You should absolutely have your car lifted and checked for oil leaks,
damages, or even wrong installed parts (Mostly pipes in BX case). Oil
leaks could be chronic pain in your pancreas, it's not so easy to stop
them unless your mechanic knows what he really doing. Another must:
Cylender head cover must be inspected if it's damaged from inside and
outside, that would cost you a gasket (It's not much) but even you decide
not to buy that car you won't have the thrills of if the gasket damaged
from heat or situation of the parts visible by removing the cover.
Compression rates: It's very easy to measure compression measures check
the Haynes manual if your mechanic doesn't know about it if the rates are
in between acceptable values. If the engine is acceptable by you lets move
over most vital parts of any car in the earth.
-*-BRAKES & TIRES-*-
Since BX front disks are very fast on wearing out (This is the price of
the one of the most effective brake systems on earth, you'll be surprized
if you try to brake in a decent BX, fasten your seat belts, if you are new the BX's please be careful and be gentle on brakes), you should
check them out if they need immediate replacement. Surface of the disks
must! be examined if they are flat (No small bump rings). If not they need to be
replaced soon, mostly unflat vawy disks ruined by very hard brake pads.
Don't use them, try to get information about several brands and don't
forget BX brake disks and pads are compatible with Peugeout 405 disks and
pads as well as many other parts. Since Peugeout or third party part
sellers are cheaper you should always consider those parts by a little
suspicion. Brakes and tires are always matter of life. No need to tell you
must inspect carefully the brake pipes, calipers, *PISTON's* and springs,
they are not more expensive than your life.And try please not to buy un-original brake pads or disks other than Citroen or Peugeout, because they are bad and too hard for your brake disks, in my experiences.
TIRES and WHEELS are second important part of braking system and they will
effect your driving comfort too. First of all you must definitely learn
your correct size of your tire. Even brand new cars don't have the correct
sizes sometime (surprized?). Please do not even think about getting a low
quality tire, they will save you nothing plus they'll decrease your
security level. Actually tire type should be proper the geography you
live, In Scotland you should consider to carry rain tires all the time, in
Norway you'll need snow tires along with regular tires I can bet on it.
There is a good tire&wheel site in US, you can learn a lot about tires and wheels if
you click here. If you consider bigger tire sizes than it's suppose
to be don't go too far just increase one size not more, consider wider
tires will contact the road more, this will decrase your comfort and will
give hardship on suspensions for sure. (For instance my original tire
sizes are 165/70/14 and I'll give it a try to 175/65/14 tires on fronts
first. 185's seems too tight for wheels). What are those three numbers?
The first one is width of the tire, second number is the percentage of the
width/height ratio, so one of my engineer friends calculated 165/70/14 and
175/65/14 tires are not so different on height and outer diameter. (Outer
diameter of second tire is 1cm longer than first tire). Do not forget very
different outer diameters will confuse our speedometer and km counter
also. Finally the third number is inner diameter of the tire which should
be exactly the same with your wheel. You can change your wheels to 15' but
do not forget just mm's remains between the fender and the tires. IMHO
it's dangereous unless you have your fender changed or re-shaped on your
car.
Wheels are important also, you should know that, there is an offset on
wheel which gives you proper traction and balance with your tires.
Unfortunately most tire shops doesnt know the offset concept or
intentionally ignoring it. Thumb of the rule is: a wheel with
proper holes and bolts and size does not mean it is a proper wheel unles
you know the offset of the wheels exactly. Try to learn the exact
value of your wheel offsets. If you live in a area with bad roads do not
choose the light alloy wheels, they are hard and if you hit a bump they
will cut the tire, with ordinary steel wheels you will have more chances
to keep tires intact because they bend and can be corrected again.
EngineOilBible
{Synthetic Oils can be compounded with very low pour points. This gives
good cold-cranking performance. They may also be compounded with slightly
lower viscosities at lower temperatures (while still meeting SAE
specifications). This helps to reduce friction, and results in less wear,
and better fuel economy. synthetics provide an excellent alternative to
conventional oils - especially if better performance is required. It's
your choice! (Richard G. Golembiewski, P.E. RIS Technical Editor)}
Flushing oils. These are special compound oils that are very, very thin.
They almost have the consistency of tap water when cold. Typically they
are 0W/20 oils.
Look what Mr. Gabor DEAK JAHN told me after I bought the car, it applies
before buying cars too. Thanks a lot again Mr. Gabor. (You can communicate
with him in the list (www.citroen.mb.ca) which you can find the site in
the my main Citroen page.
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A few things are absolutely necessary. Replace (or have it replaced) the
camshaft belt, unless you know the previous owner personally and can trust
him/her if he/she says that it was done very recently. The belt is
relatively cheap but the damage it can cause, should it fail in service,
can be catastrophic (might completely destroy the engine).
Also, replace the radiator filler cap. It is cheap and its spring loses
its strength over time, leading to engine overheating and possible engine
damage.
Replace the liquids. Engine oil is straightforward. I would suggest fully
synthetic oil, the price difference today, although still present, is not
that huge, and its temperature range and stable viscosity help to keep
your engine in good condition. Of course, if the engine is consuming too
much oil, this wouldn't be an economic solution, but excessive oil
consumption is a failure that should be repaired anyway. Just for your
information: mine, about the same age as yours, does _not_ consume oil. I
hardly ever top it up between regular oil changes (the recommendation
would be 10,000 kms, however, I change it about every 7-8000 kms).
When you have the coolant drained, do not forget to check the cooling
fan temperature switch (screwed into the radiator, bottom right) whether
it makes and brakes at the specified temperatures. Also, a cheap part,
easy to replace, and tends to go wrong over time, causing engine
overheating.
If you have the service records and they show that the transmission oil
and LHM are not yet near the end of their expected life, you can leave
them alone. Spark plugs and air filter are also natural candidates for
renewal (but clean them at least). Check the condition of the brake pads
and disks. Although the front pads have a warning lamp in the instrument
panel, don't count on it--after ten years, they will probably be out of
order. Check the rubber bellows on both ends of the driveshafts: if they
start to crack, they can be replaced for peanuts. If they stay open for a
while and allow the grease to escape and dirt to enter, it will be much
more expensive.
Steam clean the engine and transmission. Note that older fuel injected
cars are often very hard to restart after cleaning. Go to a reliable shop
where they seem to know that they have to remove or wrap some parts before
they are often very hard to restart after cleaning. Go to a reliable shop
where they seem to know that they have to remove or wrap some parts before
they start to steam clean. Drive the car for a week or so and carefully
check for leaks at hoses and gaskets. Tighten the retaining clips of all
rubber hoses.
Test the suspension. Run the engine in idle, height position in normal,
wait for the height to stabilize. Push down the bumper: the car body
should go down softly about 10-12 cm and while you still push it down,
after a few seconds, it should lift you back to normal position; then
release it suddenly, then it jumps up and after a few seconds again, it
should drop back to the normal position). If it is stiff, check the
pressure in the spheres (including the main accumulator). The hydraulics
should tick every at least 40-60 seconds.
If you still have patience, go methodically through every connector in the
car, disconnect, clean and treat with WD-40 and reconnect. Don't forget to
clean the grounding points as well. This can help avoid many annoying
problems in the future.